[ausev] 40 hp bus +

[John Penry at TransTexasTrucks]

A good analogy is cell phones, and another is computers.  That is what Andy Grove, former CEO of Intel wrote about.

http://www.american.com/archive/2008/july-august-magazine-contents/our-electric-future

Until the technology and cost get to the stage where they should be, we may have to substitute a genset for an extra bank of batteries.
I'm checking into using Propane to run the genset.

John
Pickups, SUVs, vans, and the like represent about 80 million vehicles, with mileage of perhaps 13 to 16 miles per gallon. Converting these should be our first priority. The instincts of conservationists have been to improve what is already pretty good-compact cars with decent fuel efficiency. Our national priority to decrease the amount of oil-based energy dictates that we go after the low-mileage part of the fleet first. 
--Andy Grove "Our Electric Future"

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Watson 
  To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion 
  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [ausev] 40 hp bus +


  Your right about that,... I would have to ask my office if I could plug in at work too,... Oh well. I will still try to convert a car that could make the round trip. But to set up chargers at every parking space at an apartment complex would be very expensive! I am designing an apartment complex with about 1000 parking spaces, right now. Man I feel stupid, hahahaha

  Jim


  On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Gil Dawson <Gil at gil.dawson.name> wrote:

    On Dec 22, 2008, at 6:59 A, Jim Watson wrote:
      It would be easier in my opinion to fuel my own vehicle in my own garage instead of having to drive somewhere to fuel it.


    Many people have no garage.  EVs are useless for people who park in a different spot on the street each night.  Without filling stations, they have no way to charge.   A large segment of our population might have gotten the impression that EVs are solely for rich people, those who can afford a garage.  Maybe that's what Lionel was thinking about when he highlighted infrastructure.


    On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:00 A, Ken Thomas wrote:
      The average oil refinery burns 8 to 12 KWH of electricity per gallon of 
      gasoline produced. A Phoenix Motor Cars SUV uses about 0.35 KWH per 
      mile.


    Let's do the math:  
    To go 30 miles, a gas car uses, say, one gallon of gas, which needed 8 to 10 Kwh .   
    To go that same 30 miles, a Phoenix  SUV would require only 30 x 0.35 = 10.5 Kwh.  
    This doesn't look right, does it?


    On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:28 A, Jim Watson wrote:
      I worry that corporations have become too strong for the government in this nation.


    Amen.  Has everyone seen the movie named, "The Corporation"?  It explains it all for you.


    On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:29 A, Jim Watson wrote:
      As much as I hate using gas in a conversion it still seems like an interesting idea for a big truck.


    For really big trucks on the interstate highways, I have not been able to imagine any primary energy source besides petroleum.  It'll take a huge leap in battery technology to power an 18-wheeled articulated lorry full of stuff between cities.  


    Or airplanes.  Can you imagine getting 300 people from NYC to LA in five hours on batteries? 


    On the other hand, I did drive an 80-mile-range EV1 from LA to Las Vegas and back.  Took all day and part of the next with four charging stops each way (thank you again, Bill, Greg and KOA), but we got there.  Maybe this could be a model for transportation in the long term.


    --Gil

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