From jaebird at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 00:46:50 2008
From: jaebird at gmail.com (Jae Stutzman)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:46:50 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Registration in Texas
Message-ID: <ec78e8f80809061746q702b697dy44c55cecd8d214f3@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Been lurking for awhile. Looking into converting a small car (ie metro) into
an elecric. Wondering if TX has any registration limitations on it, what
needs/should be disclosed during registration. Any highway driving
limitations, etc?

btw, i did a quick search and didn't find much on the subject.

Thanks,

Jae Stutzman
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From rob at zehicle.com  Sun Sep  7 01:30:38 2008
From: rob at zehicle.com (Rob		)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:30:38 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Registration in Texas
In-Reply-To: <ec78e8f80809061746q702b697dy44c55cecd8d214f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0f0f01c91089$55967ee0$6401a8c0@MediaRob>

I didn't and it's not a problem.  EV conversions (aka Engine Replacements)
are just not on their radar.  Same w/ insurance.
 
On the other hand, Austin Energy does want to know and will give you a
rebate!

-----Original Message-----
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of Jae Stutzman
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:47 PM
To: ausev at austinev.org
Subject: [ausev] Registration in Texas


Hello,

Been lurking for awhile. Looking into converting a small car (ie metro) into
an elecric. Wondering if TX has any registration limitations on it, what
needs/should be disclosed during registration. Any highway driving
limitations, etc?

btw, i did a quick search and didn't find much on the subject.

Thanks,

Jae Stutzman


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From staltus at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 20:55:10 2008
From: staltus at gmail.com (Steve Herring)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:55:10 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Meeting on the 13th
Message-ID: <fb9e16b70809081355q3fd6a1bch9a194974d05644cf@mail.gmail.com>

Any word on the topics for the meeting on Saturday?
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From davidmsvetlecic at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 10 00:57:13 2008
From: davidmsvetlecic at yahoo.com (David Mark Svetlecic)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ausev] possilbe donor?
Message-ID: <627915.44442.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'd welcome anyone's input on a possible donor car.
It's a Mercedes 230E with a blown engine. I didn't find any previous MB conversions on EV albums.
1) The first challenge is getting it towed from Round Rock to my home near Lanier HS.
2) Pulling the engine
3) Building the converter plate.
4) Finding/building cheap parts (motor, controller, charger)
5) # batteries (about 3k lbs local commuter) (prob. 12V for lb/$ reasons)

I'm on a very tight budget so I'm trying to see how little I can spend.
Also this would be my first conversion. I'm a big MB fan and it's cheap.
Thanks, David


From achoate at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 14:10:26 2008
From: achoate at gmail.com (Aaron Choate)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:10:26 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Meeting on the 13th - Roundup
Message-ID: <8fa91bfa0809100710t2e0d928g5f0d8ce6cd66b994@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

We are looking forward to seeing you all this Saturday.  In addition to
other EV topics, the main discussion will be planning for the upcoming
Renewable Energy Roundup display. (September 26-28, 2008 in Fredericksburg)

Cheers,

Aaron Choate

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Steve Herring <staltus at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any word on the topics for the meeting on Saturday?
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
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From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Wed Sep 10 17:37:51 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:37:51 -0500
Subject: [ausev] possilbe donor?
In-Reply-To: <627915.44442.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <627915.44442.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809101037j6e427528j2d45daea05c9096b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:57 PM, David Mark Svetlecic
<davidmsvetlecic at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'd welcome anyone's input on a possible donor car.
> It's a Mercedes 230E with a blown engine.

I can not find any information online, but the piece of information
that you want to know most is "How heavy is the car?" or the curb
weight of the car.  I suspect that the car is well over 3000lbs.
While I won't say you can not convert it to electric... it does make
it more difficult and more expensive.

This is a factor since everything you are will need to buy... from
engine to controller to batteries will need to be bigger to
accommodate a heavier car.  Once you figure out the curb weight (by
finding it, or by just weighing the car), then you can start to
calculate what kind of performance and range you will get with various
types of engines and batteries.

I might also search through the AustinEV archives for previous
discussions on donor vehicles...
http://www.google.com/search?q=donor++site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.austinev.org%2Fpipermail%2Fausev%2F


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Wed Sep 10 18:18:39 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:18:39 -0500
Subject: [ausev] possilbe donor?
In-Reply-To: <2b3d5a440809101037j6e427528j2d45daea05c9096b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <627915.44442.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2b3d5a440809101037j6e427528j2d45daea05c9096b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809101118q56edcfe8l70a25f7167abf2f6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Brian Lasseter
<blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:57 PM, David Mark Svetlecic
> <davidmsvetlecic at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I'd welcome anyone's input on a possible donor car.
>> It's a Mercedes 230E with a blown engine.
>
> I can not find any information online,

I found the info in the car's instruction booklet...  The curb weight
is 1310 kg (2888 lbs), and the GVWR for the frame is 1830 kg (4034
lbs).

Your car is starting 500lbs heavier than mine was before conversion,
but your GVWR is 700lbs higher than mine... so that actually gives you
more cargo room...which will likely be absorbed by more batteries.

You can punch some numbers into online calculators like this one to
get an idea of specs:
http://www.geocities.com/hempev/EVCalculator.html

My results seem pretty close to what the calculator thinks I should
have gotten... at least once I told it that I did not have low rolling
resistance tires.   (Maybe I should invest in some...)


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From achoate at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 14:37:08 2008
From: achoate at gmail.com (Aaron Choate)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:37:08 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Keeping an eye on Ike
Message-ID: <8fa91bfa0809110737u670f2624q72f96e1ac7b7ee7d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

We're not sure what the real impact in Central Texas will be but there is a
chance that there will at least be high winds and heavy rain at the time
that we are planning to meet this Saturday.  It could be enough to make it
dangerous to be out on the roads.  I will also be checking in with the
Terrazas branch to make sure they haven't decided to be closed.  I will add
a notice to the AustinEV site and send an email out here on Saturday morning
if the meeting needs to be canceled.  So, please check in before heading out
into whatever is brewing on Saturday.

Cheers,

Aaron
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From mseningen at austin.rr.com  Thu Sep 11 15:40:26 2008
From: mseningen at austin.rr.com (mseningen at austin.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:40:26 -0400
Subject: [ausev] Keeping an eye on Ike
Message-ID: <380-220089411154026454@M2W009.mail2web.com>


FYI,

Just confirming we are still scheduled to host ReVolt as a guest lecture
for our IEEE meeting on October 14th.

thanks,

Mike





Original Message:
-----------------
From: Aaron Choate achoate at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:37:08 -0500
To: ausev at austinev.org
Subject: [ausev] Keeping an eye on Ike


Hello all,

We're not sure what the real impact in Central Texas will be but there is a
chance that there will at least be high winds and heavy rain at the time
that we are planning to meet this Saturday.  It could be enough to make it
dangerous to be out on the roads.  I will also be checking in with the
Terrazas branch to make sure they haven't decided to be closed.  I will add
a notice to the AustinEV site and send an email out here on Saturday morning
if the meeting needs to be canceled.  So, please check in before heading out
into whatever is brewing on Saturday.

Cheers,

Aaron


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From mseningen at austin.rr.com  Thu Sep 11 15:57:20 2008
From: mseningen at austin.rr.com (mseningen at austin.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:57:20 -0400
Subject: [ausev] ReVolt & IEEE
Message-ID: <380-220089411155720313@M2W013.mail2web.com>

Sorry folks,

My previous REPLY was intended for Aaron and not the list as a whole.

However for those interested -- you are certainly welcome (and encouraged)
to attend.

I'll send out details as I get confirmed with Aaron and ReVolt.

thanks,

Mike




Original Message:
-----------------
From: Aaron Choate achoate at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:37:08 -0500
To: ausev at austinev.org
Subject: [ausev] Keeping an eye on Ike


Hello all,

We're not sure what the real impact in Central Texas will be but there is a
chance that there will at least be high winds and heavy rain at the time
that we are planning to meet this Saturday.  It could be enough to make it
dangerous to be out on the roads.  I will also be checking in with the
Terrazas branch to make sure they haven't decided to be closed.  I will add
a notice to the AustinEV site and send an email out here on Saturday morning
if the meeting needs to be canceled.  So, please check in before heading out
into whatever is brewing on Saturday.

Cheers,

Aaron


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From mseningen at austin.rr.com  Thu Sep 11 16:30:06 2008
From: mseningen at austin.rr.com (mseningen at austin.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:30:06 -0400
Subject: [ausev] ReVolt & IEEE -- Oct 14th 6:30PM
Message-ID: <380-22008941116306765@M2W021.mail2web.com>

I have confirmed with Aaron:

I am pleased to announce that my Solid State Circuits and Circuit & Systems
Joint Society Chapter of the IEEE will be hosting an invited guest speaker:

OCTOBER:
Topic: Electric Vehicle Conversions
Presenter: Aaron Choate, Founder ReVolt
Date/Time: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 6:30PM
Cost: none
Reservations: not required
Location: UT Campus - ACES 2.402 Auditorium



You need not be a member to attend this or any of our chapter functions.

I hope you can attend and learn more about this exciting topic.

thank you,

Mike Seningen

Chair SSS/CAS CTS IEEE





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From johnfm101 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 18:25:26 2008
From: johnfm101 at gmail.com (John Flores-McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:25:26 -0500
Subject: [ausev] adding an electric generator
Message-ID: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I'm new to the group after purchasing a 1986 toyota mr2 conversion. I
have a question about adding a gas-electric generator with my charger
while driving. Would this cause a current overload to my batts? here
are my specs.

72 V system with 8 volt Energizer golf cart batteries, 7245 Alltrax
Programmable Controller (www.alltraxinc.com) and the D&D Motor ES-15A
(www.ddmotorsystems.com). The charger is onboard 72 volt - 20 amps
smart charger made by Quickcharger (www.quickcharge.com)

From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Thu Sep 11 20:55:25 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:55:25 -0500
Subject: [ausev] adding an electric generator
In-Reply-To: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809111355x641ed960v4a00bd351c2076f1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM, John Flores-McLaughlin
<johnfm101 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm new to the group after purchasing a 1986 toyota mr2 conversion. I
> have a question about adding a gas-electric generator with my charger
> while driving. Would this cause a current overload to my batts? here
> are my specs.
>
> 72 V system with 8 volt Energizer golf cart batteries, 7245 Alltrax
> Programmable Controller (www.alltraxinc.com) and the D&D Motor ES-15A
> (www.ddmotorsystems.com). The charger is onboard 72 volt - 20 amps
> smart charger made by Quickcharger (www.quickcharge.com)


20A at 72V is only 1.44kw... and that little power is unlikely to help
you in cruising down the highway.  How many amps does your car draw
when you are cruising at something like 50mph?


The tricky parts though are making sure your generator is large
enough, clean enough to be legal on US roads, and that it generates a
nice sine wave for the charger.  I would direct you to the following
reading. Manzanita Micro http://www.manzanitamicro.com/ has some
specific notes on using Generators with his PFC chargers:
http://www.manzanitamicro.com/Appnote1R3.doc

Also, there are some general notes on why using a generator is mostly
impractical (and very polluting) in the Electric Car Conversion
wiki-book: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_conversion_chapter:_technologies#Range_Extenders

And some number crunching on the Seattle EVA chapter Wiki...
http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Generator_Emissions

There is also some good reading in the AustinEV archives...
http://www.google.com/search?q=generator+-HHO+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.austinev.org%2Fpipermail%2Fausev%2F

-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From josh.handel at ktomics.net  Thu Sep 11 21:05:04 2008
From: josh.handel at ktomics.net (Josh Handel)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:05:04 -0500
Subject: [ausev] adding an electric generator
In-Reply-To: <2b3d5a440809111355x641ed960v4a00bd351c2076f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b3d5a440809111355x641ed960v4a00bd351c2076f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15f457e10809111405n168da0e1qaa9eed7fa34e287@mail.gmail.com>

Isn't this the direction the Volt and the Mazda Hybrid mule thats been
tooling around Tokyo are going? I'm not saying that they are practical for a
home conversion but if GM and Mazda both like the idea of all electric power
with ICE as a generator then there has to be something to that design
choose?
Josh

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Brian Lasseter <
blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM, John Flores-McLaughlin
> <johnfm101 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I'm new to the group after purchasing a 1986 toyota mr2 conversion. I
> > have a question about adding a gas-electric generator with my charger
> > while driving. Would this cause a current overload to my batts? here
> > are my specs.
> >
> > 72 V system with 8 volt Energizer golf cart batteries, 7245 Alltrax
> > Programmable Controller (www.alltraxinc.com) and the D&D Motor ES-15A
> > (www.ddmotorsystems.com). The charger is onboard 72 volt - 20 amps
> > smart charger made by Quickcharger (www.quickcharge.com)
>
>
> 20A at 72V is only 1.44kw... and that little power is unlikely to help
> you in cruising down the highway.  How many amps does your car draw
> when you are cruising at something like 50mph?
>
>
> The tricky parts though are making sure your generator is large
> enough, clean enough to be legal on US roads, and that it generates a
> nice sine wave for the charger.  I would direct you to the following
> reading. Manzanita Micro http://www.manzanitamicro.com/ has some
> specific notes on using Generators with his PFC chargers:
> http://www.manzanitamicro.com/Appnote1R3.doc
>
> Also, there are some general notes on why using a generator is mostly
> impractical (and very polluting) in the Electric Car Conversion
> wiki-book:
> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_conversion_chapter:_technologies#Range_Extenders
>
> And some number crunching on the Seattle EVA chapter Wiki...
> http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Generator_Emissions
>
> There is also some good reading in the AustinEV archives...
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=generator+-HHO+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.austinev.org%2Fpipermail%2Fausev%2F
>
> --
> TTFN,
> Brian "Lasso" Lasseter
>
> "No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
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From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Thu Sep 11 22:33:15 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:33:15 -0500
Subject: [ausev] adding an electric generator
In-Reply-To: <15f457e10809111405n168da0e1qaa9eed7fa34e287@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b3d5a440809111355x641ed960v4a00bd351c2076f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<15f457e10809111405n168da0e1qaa9eed7fa34e287@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809111533t43f271ebj10e7f28b99a7a37f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Josh Handel <josh.handel at ktomics.net> wrote:
> Isn't this the direction the Volt and the Mazda Hybrid mule thats been
> tooling around Tokyo are going? I'm not saying that they are practical for a
> home conversion but if GM and Mazda both like the idea of all electric power
> with ICE as a generator then there has to be something to that design
> choose?

What they are doing would technically be called a "Series-Hybrid"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_hybrid#Series_Hybrid

While that is functionally very similar to what you were talking about
with your car, with a generator, a charger, batteries, and an electric
engine... the differences are in the scale and details.

1)  Cars are required to meet emissions standards, so a series hybrid
would have something that looks an awful lot like a regular car engine
with all the associated oxygen sensors, catalytic converters, and
carburetors that you do not find on dirty little 2-stroke home depot
generators.
2)  As you mentioned... your charger is 1.44kw... that is not enough
power to sustain cruise driving at interstate speeds.  My electric car
sucks an average of 14kw (100A at 144V) while driving on level ground
at interstate speeds.  That means you would need a much more powerful
charger and generator to keep up with the cars power usage.  So series
hybrids are often sized with 10-15kw chargers and an engine capable of
delivering 10-15kw.

Car companies like Series-hybrids because it allows good efficiency
increases while not needing any new battery technology, and allowing
car companies to continue designing what they are good at... big
efficient engines.  Of course, you would only need a 40hp engine to
drive a sustained 14kw of power into a car... so the engines won't be
that big.   :-)

-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From jpenry at transtexastrucks.com  Thu Sep 11 22:53:49 2008
From: jpenry at transtexastrucks.com (John Penry at TransTexasTrucks)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:53:49 -0500
Subject: [ausev] adding an electric generator
References: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com><2b3d5a440809111355x641ed960v4a00bd351c2076f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<15f457e10809111405n168da0e1qaa9eed7fa34e287@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02E8CE8E81EF466097B9093C7C2BB024@TexrocksGX280>

You may want to get a copy of "The Zero-Carbon Car".  It is 544 pages, and describes in detail how to setup a generator to recharge batteries as you drive.  I got my copy at Tower.com for $25 including shipping.

The author converted a Mazda Miata, and placed a 3 cylinder diesel running veggie biodiesel in it.

Some great information.

John in Seguin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Josh Handel 
  To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion 
  Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [ausev] adding an electric generator


  Isn't this the direction the Volt and the Mazda Hybrid mule thats been tooling around Tokyo are going? I'm not saying that they are practical for a home conversion but if GM and Mazda both like the idea of all electric power with ICE as a generator then there has to be something to that design choose? 


  Josh


  On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Brian Lasseter <blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org> wrote:

    On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM, John Flores-McLaughlin
    <johnfm101 at gmail.com> wrote:
    > Hi all,
    > I'm new to the group after purchasing a 1986 toyota mr2 conversion. I
    > have a question about adding a gas-electric generator with my charger
    > while driving. Would this cause a current overload to my batts? here
    > are my specs.
    >
    > 72 V system with 8 volt Energizer golf cart batteries, 7245 Alltrax
    > Programmable Controller (www.alltraxinc.com) and the D&D Motor ES-15A
    > (www.ddmotorsystems.com). The charger is onboard 72 volt - 20 amps
    > smart charger made by Quickcharger (www.quickcharge.com)



    20A at 72V is only 1.44kw... and that little power is unlikely to help
    you in cruising down the highway.  How many amps does your car draw
    when you are cruising at something like 50mph?


    The tricky parts though are making sure your generator is large
    enough, clean enough to be legal on US roads, and that it generates a
    nice sine wave for the charger.  I would direct you to the following
    reading. Manzanita Micro http://www.manzanitamicro.com/ has some
    specific notes on using Generators with his PFC chargers:
    http://www.manzanitamicro.com/Appnote1R3.doc

    Also, there are some general notes on why using a generator is mostly
    impractical (and very polluting) in the Electric Car Conversion
    wiki-book: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_conversion_chapter:_technologies#Range_Extenders

    And some number crunching on the Seattle EVA chapter Wiki...
    http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Generator_Emissions

    There is also some good reading in the AustinEV archives...
    http://www.google.com/search?q=generator+-HHO+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.austinev.org%2Fpipermail%2Fausev%2F

    --
    TTFN,
    Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

    "No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

    _______________________________________________
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From mfarver at mindbent.org  Fri Sep 12 01:23:28 2008
From: mfarver at mindbent.org (Mark Farver)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:23:28 -0500
Subject: [ausev] adding an electric generator
In-Reply-To: <15f457e10809111405n168da0e1qaa9eed7fa34e287@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b3d5a440809111355x641ed960v4a00bd351c2076f1@mail.gmail.com>
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The idea of adding a gas engine as a range extender//hybrid is a
wonderful one, but engines vary significantly in pollution and
efficiency.  Small generators are generally designed for short
duration emergency and portable use, and to be as inexpensive as
possible.  As such they emit many times more pollution and use more
fuel per watt/hr that a generator designed for efficiency.

There are also some interesting issues related to speed... a portable
generator will tend to run a fixed speed so it can generate standard
60 (or 50) hz power, as such it seldom runs at itt most efficient RPMs
for its given load.  Hybrid vehicles often generate "wild" AC with a
varying frequency, and speed up and slow down the generator according
to load and use the batteries and electronics to make that compatible.

Additionally your electric motor is often undersized for the job of
moving the car down the road, and is being used well beyond its
continous current rating.  That doesn't matter when you drive a
maximum of 50miles a day, but if you use it with a generator to drive
several hours it will probably overheat.

In my experience it takes about 25-30kw of generator to move a car
down the road at a steady freeway speed taking into account the
conversion loses.  You'll find that portable units do not really get
up to that size, or tend to be quite heavy and expensive.

For the home builder so called "pusher" trailers are inexpensive to
make if you would like a range extender.  Essentially, a pusher is a
small car (Volkswagon Rabbit Diesels are popular) that has been cut
off at the firewall. and a tow hitch welded to the front.  A standard
aftermarket cruise control system and remote ignition is added, and
run into the EV.  As you get onto the freeway the EV accelerates both
vehicles to freeway speeds, then the trailer's engine is started,
shifted into gear and the cruise control used to set the speed.  The
trailer "pushes" the EV down the road, and the forces are the same as
when the tow vehicles brakes are used to stop.  Done right, the
original vehicle's pollution controls and emissions system remain
intact and you are using the gas engine in its most efficienct mode,
steady state cruising.  On days where you do not need to go the extra
distance, the trailer can be left at home.

Mark

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Josh Handel <josh.handel at ktomics.net> wrote:
> Isn't this the direction the Volt and the Mazda Hybrid mule thats been
> tooling around Tokyo are going? I'm not saying that they are practical for a
> home conversion but if GM and Mazda both like the idea of all electric power
> with ICE as a generator then there has to be something to that design
> choose?
> Josh
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Brian Lasseter
> <blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM, John Flores-McLaughlin
>> <johnfm101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> > I'm new to the group after purchasing a 1986 toyota mr2 conversion. I
>> > have a question about adding a gas-electric generator with my charger
>> > while driving. Would this cause a current overload to my batts? here
>> > are my specs.
>> >
>> > 72 V system with 8 volt Energizer golf cart batteries, 7245 Alltrax
>> > Programmable Controller (www.alltraxinc.com) and the D&D Motor ES-15A
>> > (www.ddmotorsystems.com). The charger is onboard 72 volt - 20 amps
>> > smart charger made by Quickcharger (www.quickcharge.com)
>>
>>
>> 20A at 72V is only 1.44kw... and that little power is unlikely to help
>> you in cruising down the highway.  How many amps does your car draw
>> when you are cruising at something like 50mph?
>>
>>
>> The tricky parts though are making sure your generator is large
>> enough, clean enough to be legal on US roads, and that it generates a
>> nice sine wave for the charger.  I would direct you to the following
>> reading. Manzanita Micro http://www.manzanitamicro.com/ has some
>> specific notes on using Generators with his PFC chargers:
>> http://www.manzanitamicro.com/Appnote1R3.doc
>>
>> Also, there are some general notes on why using a generator is mostly
>> impractical (and very polluting) in the Electric Car Conversion
>> wiki-book:
>> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_conversion_chapter:_technologies#Range_Extenders
>>
>> And some number crunching on the Seattle EVA chapter Wiki...
>> http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Generator_Emissions
>>
>> There is also some good reading in the AustinEV archives...
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=generator+-HHO+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.austinev.org%2Fpipermail%2Fausev%2F
>>
>> --
>> TTFN,
>> Brian "Lasso" Lasseter
>>
>> "No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
>> _______________________________________________
>> AusEV mailing list
>> AusEV at austinev.org
>> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
>
>

From bytedawg at bytetamer.com  Fri Sep 12 17:08:41 2008
From: bytedawg at bytetamer.com (m. howse)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:08:41 -0500
Subject: [ausev] adding an electric generator
In-Reply-To: <e060a91e0809111823p748bfb1fx6aea4ca0c0d3ea80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b3d5a440809111355x641ed960v4a00bd351c2076f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<15f457e10809111405n168da0e1qaa9eed7fa34e287@mail.gmail.com>
	<e060a91e0809111823p748bfb1fx6aea4ca0c0d3ea80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.uhdokruabk9d0m@workstation1.austin.rr.com>

I'm going to add an ICE generator to my EV but primarily to charge my  
vehicle after it has been driven for
awhile, however, I plan to mate a small motorcycle engine to a DC  
motor/generator which could also provide
extra power for general use if needed. Also 1KW of power is not  
insignificant when it comes to charging.

marv



On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:23:28 -0500, Mark Farver <mfarver at mindbent.org>  
wrote:

> The idea of adding a gas engine as a range extender//hybrid is a
> wonderful one, but engines vary significantly in pollution and
> efficiency.  Small generators are generally designed for short
> duration emergency and portable use, and to be as inexpensive as
> possible.  As such they emit many times more pollution and use more
> fuel per watt/hr that a generator designed for efficiency.
>
> There are also some interesting issues related to speed... a portable
> generator will tend to run a fixed speed so it can generate standard
> 60 (or 50) hz power, as such it seldom runs at itt most efficient RPMs
> for its given load.  Hybrid vehicles often generate "wild" AC with a
> varying frequency, and speed up and slow down the generator according
> to load and use the batteries and electronics to make that compatible.
>
> Additionally your electric motor is often undersized for the job of
> moving the car down the road, and is being used well beyond its
> continous current rating.  That doesn't matter when you drive a
> maximum of 50miles a day, but if you use it with a generator to drive
> several hours it will probably overheat.
>
> In my experience it takes about 25-30kw of generator to move a car
> down the road at a steady freeway speed taking into account the
> conversion loses.  You'll find that portable units do not really get
> up to that size, or tend to be quite heavy and expensive.
>
> For the home builder so called "pusher" trailers are inexpensive to
> make if you would like a range extender.  Essentially, a pusher is a
> small car (Volkswagon Rabbit Diesels are popular) that has been cut
> off at the firewall. and a tow hitch welded to the front.  A standard
> aftermarket cruise control system and remote ignition is added, and
> run into the EV.  As you get onto the freeway the EV accelerates both
> vehicles to freeway speeds, then the trailer's engine is started,
> shifted into gear and the cruise control used to set the speed.  The
> trailer "pushes" the EV down the road, and the forces are the same as
> when the tow vehicles brakes are used to stop.  Done right, the
> original vehicle's pollution controls and emissions system remain
> intact and you are using the gas engine in its most efficienct mode,
> steady state cruising.  On days where you do not need to go the extra
> distance, the trailer can be left at home.
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Josh Handel <josh.handel at ktomics.net>  
> wrote:
>> Isn't this the direction the Volt and the Mazda Hybrid mule thats been
>> tooling around Tokyo are going? I'm not saying that they are practical  
>> for a
>> home conversion but if GM and Mazda both like the idea of all electric  
>> power
>> with ICE as a generator then there has to be something to that design
>> choose?
>> Josh
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Brian Lasseter
>> <blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM, John Flores-McLaughlin
>>> <johnfm101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> > I'm new to the group after purchasing a 1986 toyota mr2 conversion. I
>>> > have a question about adding a gas-electric generator with my charger
>>> > while driving. Would this cause a current overload to my batts? here
>>> > are my specs.
>>> >
>>> > 72 V system with 8 volt Energizer golf cart batteries, 7245 Alltrax
>>> > Programmable Controller (www.alltraxinc.com) and the D&D Motor ES-15A
>>> > (www.ddmotorsystems.com). The charger is onboard 72 volt - 20 amps
>>> > smart charger made by Quickcharger (www.quickcharge.com)
>>>
>>>
>>> 20A at 72V is only 1.44kw... and that little power is unlikely to help
>>> you in cruising down the highway.  How many amps does your car draw
>>> when you are cruising at something like 50mph?
>>>
>>>
>>> The tricky parts though are making sure your generator is large
>>> enough, clean enough to be legal on US roads, and that it generates a
>>> nice sine wave for the charger.  I would direct you to the following
>>> reading. Manzanita Micro http://www.manzanitamicro.com/ has some
>>> specific notes on using Generators with his PFC chargers:
>>> http://www.manzanitamicro.com/Appnote1R3.doc
>>>
>>> Also, there are some general notes on why using a generator is mostly
>>> impractical (and very polluting) in the Electric Car Conversion
>>> wiki-book:
>>> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_conversion_chapter:_technologies#Range_Extenders
>>>
>>> And some number crunching on the Seattle EVA chapter Wiki...
>>> http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Generator_Emissions
>>>
>>> There is also some good reading in the AustinEV archives...
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=generator+-HHO+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.austinev.org%2Fpipermail%2Fausev%2F
>>>
>>> --
>>> TTFN,
>>> Brian "Lasso" Lasseter
>>>
>>> "No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> AusEV mailing list
>>> AusEV at austinev.org
>>> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AusEV mailing list
>> AusEV at austinev.org
>> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev



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From tomwolfe34 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 12 17:28:09 2008
From: tomwolfe34 at yahoo.com (Tom Wolfe - Cedar Park, Tx)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:28:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ausev] Cable cutter/crimper
Message-ID: <485004.53391.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Is there any place in Austin that will rent a crimper for 2.0 cable?


      

From johnfm101 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 22:38:11 2008
From: johnfm101 at gmail.com (John Flores-McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:38:11 -0500
Subject: [ausev] adding an electric generator
In-Reply-To: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5fb85f910809111125o4f962b57o39d561020225e756@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5fb85f910809121538w42bc79aat1a4ac2e163f9f6a7@mail.gmail.com>

The car draws at least 100 amps while cruising... looks like I need a
better charger.

John

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:25 PM, John Flores-McLaughlin
<johnfm101 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm new to the group after purchasing a 1986 toyota mr2 conversion. I
> have a question about adding a gas-electric generator with my charger
> while driving. Would this cause a current overload to my batts? here
> are my specs.
>
> 72 V system with 8 volt Energizer golf cart batteries, 7245 Alltrax
> Programmable Controller (www.alltraxinc.com) and the D&D Motor ES-15A
> (www.ddmotorsystems.com). The charger is onboard 72 volt - 20 amps
> smart charger made by Quickcharger (www.quickcharge.com)
>

From mringer at austin.rr.com  Fri Sep 12 23:45:59 2008
From: mringer at austin.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:45:59 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Batteries
Message-ID: <017101c91531$b89a4ab0$29cee010$@rr.com>

Hey guys,
 
I know this is car group, but since its electric cars I thought maybe ya'll
can help me with my dilemma.  
 
I have  a schwinn s750 scooter.  It's a 36 volt scooter and the batteries at
9 months old are only charging to 27.7 volts.  I decided I need to replace
the batteries but at $100 bucks it's a bit crazy.  Any ideas?
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From electricbasset at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 22:32:15 2008
From: electricbasset at gmail.com (Erik)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:32:15 -0400
Subject: [ausev] Batteries
In-Reply-To: <017101c91531$b89a4ab0$29cee010$@rr.com>
References: <017101c91531$b89a4ab0$29cee010$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4394775c0809131532k2225037fy49bcdfbf7e7593c5@mail.gmail.com>

Steal them..?

Batteries are unfortunately expensive, I'm nearing a pack replacement myself
on my EV. It's possible only one of them is really bad and needing
replacement (assuming this is 3x 12V batteries. Then you only need one.

Is it under warranty? 9 months is pretty early.

Again if it's only one bad one you might be able to get a less bad one at a
scooter shop for cheap.

Erik

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Michael <mringer at austin.rr.com> wrote:

>  Hey guys,
>
>
>
> I know this is car group, but since its electric cars I thought maybe ya'll
> can help me with my dilemma.
>
>
>
> I have  a schwinn s750 scooter.  It's a 36 volt scooter and the batteries
> at 9 months old are only charging to 27.7 volts.  I decided I need to
> replace the batteries but at $100 bucks it's a bit crazy.  Any ideas?
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
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From mringer at austin.rr.com  Sun Sep 14 03:16:08 2008
From: mringer at austin.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:16:08 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Batteries
In-Reply-To: <4394775c0809131532k2225037fy49bcdfbf7e7593c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <017101c91531$b89a4ab0$29cee010$@rr.com>
	<4394775c0809131532k2225037fy49bcdfbf7e7593c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001c91618$3bb6ed40$b324c7c0$@rr.com>

I am not sure if one is bad or all of them.  I didn't investigate that far.
It only had like a 30 or 90 day warranty.. 
 
I am thinking now that I am going to ride it into the ground, and sell it
and buy a more full sized scooter.  This one is a little scary to drive in
the bike lanes..
 
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of Erik
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:32 PM
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Subject: Re: [ausev] Batteries
 
Steal them..? 

Batteries are unfortunately expensive, I'm nearing a pack replacement myself
on my EV. It's possible only one of them is really bad and needing
replacement (assuming this is 3x 12V batteries. Then you only need one.

Is it under warranty? 9 months is pretty early. 

Again if it's only one bad one you might be able to get a less bad one at a
scooter shop for cheap.

Erik
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Michael <mringer at austin.rr.com> wrote:
Hey guys,
 
I know this is car group, but since its electric cars I thought maybe ya'll
can help me with my dilemma.  
 
I have  a schwinn s750 scooter.  It's a 36 volt scooter and the batteries at
9 months old are only charging to 27.7 volts.  I decided I need to replace
the batteries but at $100 bucks it's a bit crazy.  Any ideas?

_______________________________________________
AusEV mailing list
AusEV at austinev.org
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From bridges at ieee.org  Tue Sep 16 02:49:58 2008
From: bridges at ieee.org (Derek Bridges)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:49:58 -0500
Subject: [ausev] The future of batteries
Message-ID: <48CF1ED6.8070203@ieee.org>

On Tuesday evening there will be a talk on the future of batteries. The 
IEEE Product Safety Society is having a monthly talk and this month's 
topic is a new set of European regulations covering all batteries. It 
may be the boring old safety regulatory side of the future of batteries 
but it should be of interest to anyone with a serious interest in 
batteries and BEVs.  Their speakers are always quite good and there is 
usually free pizza to boot. I have a schedule conflict and can't go but 
maybe someone else would be interested.

A map to the meeting place (a compressed MS Word file) can be found at:
http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/chapters/centraltexas/directions.zip


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: CTPSES Meeting, Sept 16, 2008 6:30PM: "EU Battery Directive" by 
Jay Taylor
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:46:12 -0500

      Central Texas Product Safety Engineering Society Monthly Meeting
      Notice
      Topic: ?EU Battery Directive?
      Speaker: Jay Taylor, Senior Engineer, Dell Inc.
      Date and Time: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 6:30pm
      Meeting Location: Dell, Parmer Campus, 701 East Parmer Lane,
      Building S.4, Victoria Conference Room
      Directions: Call Gary Schrempp (512) 724-3757, or email him at
      _Gary_Schrempp at Dell.com_ for details.

      The EU Battery Directive rescinds old EU rules and creates new
      more rigorous regulations for accumulators (AKA batteries). The
      Directive applies ubiquitously to batteries entering the European
      marketplace and establishes a unified recycling mark for Europe.
      The Directive appoints member states the responsibility of
      implementing the directive, and measuring compliance of batteries
      entering the waste stream across the EU. Lastly the Directive
      excludes or limits some materials for use in batteries in the
      European marketplace.

      Come join us and hear what this means for those who have batteries
      in products destined for the European market. One thing is certain
      ? things are going to get tougher, not easier, in this area!




From mlibrik at att.net  Tue Sep 16 12:58:34 2008
From: mlibrik at att.net (Mike Librik)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:58:34 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Cable cutter/crimper
In-Reply-To: <485004.53391.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <485004.53391.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48CFAD7A.5070104@att.net>

Tom Wolfe - Cedar Park, Tx wrote:
> Is there any place in Austin that will rent a crimper for 2.0 cable?

If there isn't, that might be a worthwhile investment for the local 
club.  There are likely a few specialized tools that we could pool our 
money for, purchase, and then rent out to dues paying members at a good 
rate.  They'd eventually pay for themselves.

-- 
Mike Librik, LCI #929
League of Bicycling Voters
Austin, TX
(512) 567-4493

Recumbent bikes & trikes
for Central Texas:
www.EasyStreetRecumbents.com

From jacobson at austin.rr.com  Tue Sep 16 14:55:44 2008
From: jacobson at austin.rr.com (Dan Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:55:44 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Cable cutter/crimper
References: <485004.53391.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F1E6004BBF2F4BA9846C6D7B24B1FD66@dan6ae64bb8826>

I have a compound leverage crimper with three different sized jaws. It is of 
the type used by power company linemen to crimp the connections for your 
electric service. It will easily do 2/0 copper. I rarely use it, and it is 
available to loan out for free. However, this is a $200 tool so I might need 
a, (fully refundable), deposit of some sort. The "barrel or butt" crimps are 
available from the electrical supply houses for both copper and aluminum. 
Large ring terminal connectors would more likely be from a welding supply or 
Graingers. Contact me at email, jacobson at austin.rr.com or phone, 
512-266-7186. I live west of Austin in the Lake Travis area, off RR620. 
Thanks, Dan Jacobson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Wolfe - Cedar Park, Tx" <tomwolfe34 at yahoo.com>
To: <ausev at austinev.org>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 12:28 PM
Subject: [ausev] Cable cutter/crimper


> Is there any place in Austin that will rent a crimper for 2.0 cable?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev 


From herb.valliant at sbcglobal.net  Wed Sep 17 23:40:08 2008
From: herb.valliant at sbcglobal.net (Herb Valliant)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:40:08 -0500
Subject: [ausev] IEEE Battery Regs
Message-ID: <48D19558.5000503@sbcglobal.net>


Did anybody attend the IEEE meeting on the new European battery 
regulations and if so can you give us a synopsis?

Thanks
Herb Valliant

From achoate at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 21:00:47 2008
From: achoate at gmail.com (Aaron Choate)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:00:47 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Working on the Saturn tonight
Message-ID: <8fa91bfa0809181400l795b0ca1ie3c3c2cfc46ea215@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I don't usually post about this stuff because I am relatively shy about
these things, but I encourage all of you to post when you are working on
something.  So... I will be working on Brian's Saturn this evening (9/18)
from 7:00 - dark if anybody would like to stop by and see it going back
together.  I have already gotten the motor and transmission re-installed,
but will be starting by getting the drive shafts inserted and move to
getting the front cross-member and component plates reinstalled from there.
We'll see how far I get.  [grin]  We work on our EVs pretty regularly and I
will try and post when I think that we will be doing something that would be
of interest to people.  Since we are doing this for people, I can't really
allow that you pitch in unless we have cleared it with the owner first.
However, there is plenty to look at and learn from none-the-less.

I am at 3701 Grayson Ln (78722)  The garage is actually back around on the
Banton side of the house though.  If you want to call, you can reach me at
796-0395.

Cheers,

Aaron Choate
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From jpenry at transtexastrucks.com  Fri Sep 19 13:23:59 2008
From: jpenry at transtexastrucks.com (John Penry at TransTexasTrucks)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:23:59 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Express News: 17 year old converts a Bradley GT II
Message-ID: <C398876BA37E4A22875C8A68CE0F4282@TexrocksGX280>

It's always refreshing to see stories like this in the paper.  Just wish the Electric Auto Association could get a plug in somewhere.

Student's car no longer needs gas.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/life/High_school_student_wont_need_gas_for_this_car.html


http://www.transtexastrucks.com
I decided to challenge the Automakers.
I will make a Plug in Series Hybrid Crew-Cab Pickup before Detroit does.
But if I lose this race, we all become winners.


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From mringer at austin.rr.com  Fri Sep 19 14:45:58 2008
From: mringer at austin.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:45:58 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Express News: 17 year old converts a Bradley GT II
In-Reply-To: <C398876BA37E4A22875C8A68CE0F4282@TexrocksGX280>
References: <C398876BA37E4A22875C8A68CE0F4282@TexrocksGX280>
Message-ID: <00d301c91a66$6e11b390$4a351ab0$@rr.com>

I have always wanted a Bradley GT!  Stupid question, did he use the right
type of batteries for this project?
 
Also, I was thinking about his issue with weight, and was wondering a if a
properly placed cross member in the front of the car would fix this issue?
 
 
 
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of John Penry at TransTexasTrucks
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 8:24 AM
To: The Alamo City Electric Auto Association's Discussion List
Cc: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Subject: [ausev] Express News: 17 year old converts a Bradley GT II
 
It's always refreshing to see stories like this in the paper.  Just wish the
Electric Auto Association could get a plug in somewhere.
 
Student's car no longer needs gas.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/life/High_school_student_wont_need_gas_for_this_
car.html
 
 
http://www.transtexastrucks.com
I decided to challenge the Automakers.
I will make a Plug in Series Hybrid Crew-Cab Pickup before Detroit does.
But if I lose this race, we all become winners.
 

 
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From eaalists at driveev.com  Fri Sep 19 17:54:34 2008
From: eaalists at driveev.com (Nick Viera)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:54:34 -0500
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] interesting GE DC motor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <789374.70185.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <789374.70185.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48D3E75A.5020508@driveev.com>

Hi John and all,

All personal feelings aside, Chris Robison's advice in this motor 
discussion is both logical and sound... and if you dismiss it you 
probably will find yourself with a lot of time and/or money invested in 
achieving dismal results.

With that said, I feel that Chris is being really humble about his 
knowledge and experience with EVs... for example, he has been a primary 
player in quite a few EV conversions, and I know that without his help 
and advice (and Mark Farver and Aaron Choate's, and many others), my 
Jeep conversion probably would have failed or still be stuck somewhere 
in the process.

I think that what this all comes down to is that there are many design 
considerations (such as motor selection) that arise during an EV 
conversion which are more complex than they first appear. People have 
the tendency to want to oversimplify things and/or jump to the first 
"solution" because it takes less time and effort (Yes, I'm also 
impatient =])

But you should try to fully understand the issue at hand before making a 
decision, because the extra time spent learning about and understanding 
the issue now will save you a lot of time, money, and heartache when it 
comes time to DriveEV! I learned this the hard way! =]

Just My 0.333 kWh worth,
-- 
-Nick
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
http://www.DriveEV.com/
http://www.ACEAA.org/
--------------------------

loopcat wrote:
> Chris, no offence, but u were the guy that told me that my GE-11" was " inappropriate for
> EV use". Come to find out that 3 EXPERTS (Lee Hart, George Hamsta from Warp, and Otmar from Zilla) ALL told me that the motor was GREAT for EV use! And that an 8" motor (your suggestion) was a bad idea!
> Chris, do u own/drive an EV? Last time I check, u ABANDONED your project!! So forgive me if I don't trust a damned thing u say!!
> John Stuart..  


From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Fri Sep 19 18:58:49 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:58:49 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Working on the Saturn tonight
In-Reply-To: <8fa91bfa0809181400l795b0ca1ie3c3c2cfc46ea215@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fa91bfa0809181400l795b0ca1ie3c3c2cfc46ea215@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809191158y36d3faf5w8dbdb0927c18c53a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Aaron Choate <achoate at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't usually post about this stuff because I am relatively shy about
> these things, but I encourage all of you to post when you are working on
> something.  So... I will be working on Brian's Saturn this evening (9/18)
> from 7:00 - dark if anybody would like to stop by and see it going back
> together.
>
> I am at 3701 Grayson Ln (78722)  The garage is actually back around on the
> Banton side of the house though.  If you want to call, you can reach me at
> 796-0395.


Arrr!   Aaron and I will be continuin' to put together that scurvy
wench of Electric Vehicle tonight at Aaron's place.  Stop by to see
witness the fun of rebuilding an electric car, or stop by to celebrate
International Talk Like a Pirate Day... Join us for this electric car
practicum!  Though please be leavin' yer rum at home.  :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_a_Pirate_Day


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From rollingwoodcitizen at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 20:21:04 2008
From: rollingwoodcitizen at gmail.com (Rob H)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:21:04 -0500
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] interesting GE DC motor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <48D3E75A.5020508@driveev.com>
References: <789374.70185.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<48D3E75A.5020508@driveev.com>
Message-ID: <ba1af3270809191321i7c371792h296394c4d3bdde93@mail.gmail.com>

Nick,
Thanks for speaking up.  I too value Chris' opinion even if I haven't always
followed it ;)

A variety of opinions is critical to building a safe EV and there are many
many trade-offs to take into consideration.

Rob

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Nick Viera <eaalists at driveev.com> wrote:

> Hi John and all,
>
> All personal feelings aside, Chris Robison's advice in this motor
> discussion is both logical and sound... and if you dismiss it you
> probably will find yourself with a lot of time and/or money invested in
> achieving dismal results.
>
> With that said, I feel that Chris is being really humble about his
> knowledge and experience with EVs... for example, he has been a primary
> player in quite a few EV conversions, and I know that without his help
> and advice (and Mark Farver and Aaron Choate's, and many others), my
> Jeep conversion probably would have failed or still be stuck somewhere
> in the process.
>
> I think that what this all comes down to is that there are many design
> considerations (such as motor selection) that arise during an EV
> conversion which are more complex than they first appear. People have
> the tendency to want to oversimplify things and/or jump to the first
> "solution" because it takes less time and effort (Yes, I'm also
> impatient =])
>
> But you should try to fully understand the issue at hand before making a
> decision, because the extra time spent learning about and understanding
> the issue now will save you a lot of time, money, and heartache when it
> comes time to DriveEV! I learned this the hard way! =]
>
> Just My 0.333 kWh worth,
> --
> -Nick
> 1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
> http://www.DriveEV.com/
> http://www.ACEAA.org/
> --------------------------
>
> loopcat wrote:
> > Chris, no offence, but u were the guy that told me that my GE-11" was "
> inappropriate for
> > EV use". Come to find out that 3 EXPERTS (Lee Hart, George Hamsta from
> Warp, and Otmar from Zilla) ALL told me that the motor was GREAT for EV use!
> And that an 8" motor (your suggestion) was a bad idea!
> > Chris, do u own/drive an EV? Last time I check, u ABANDONED your
> project!! So forgive me if I don't trust a damned thing u say!!
> > John Stuart..
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
>



-- 
Rob
____________
Rob Hirschfeld
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From electricbasset at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 20:32:04 2008
From: electricbasset at gmail.com (Erik)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:32:04 -0400
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] interesting GE DC motor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <48D3E75A.5020508@driveev.com>
References: <789374.70185.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<48D3E75A.5020508@driveev.com>
Message-ID: <4394775c0809191332w6c396dacia6ed788183225fc3@mail.gmail.com>

I'm with Chris as well in this discussion. He has loads of practical
experience and has a very solid technical understanding of the issues
involved as well.

That being said, nothing is stopping you from using the motor in your Fox.
It's just a lot of motor for a Fox.

Erik

On 9/19/08, Nick Viera <eaalists at driveev.com> wrote:
>
> Hi John and all,
>
> All personal feelings aside, Chris Robison's advice in this motor
> discussion is both logical and sound... and if you dismiss it you
> probably will find yourself with a lot of time and/or money invested in
> achieving dismal results.
>
> With that said, I feel that Chris is being really humble about his
> knowledge and experience with EVs... for example, he has been a primary
> player in quite a few EV conversions, and I know that without his help
> and advice (and Mark Farver and Aaron Choate's, and many others), my
> Jeep conversion probably would have failed or still be stuck somewhere
> in the process.
>
> I think that what this all comes down to is that there are many design
> considerations (such as motor selection) that arise during an EV
> conversion which are more complex than they first appear. People have
> the tendency to want to oversimplify things and/or jump to the first
> "solution" because it takes less time and effort (Yes, I'm also
> impatient =])
>
> But you should try to fully understand the issue at hand before making a
> decision, because the extra time spent learning about and understanding
> the issue now will save you a lot of time, money, and heartache when it
> comes time to DriveEV! I learned this the hard way! =]
>
> Just My 0.333 kWh worth,
> --
> -Nick
> 1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
> http://www.DriveEV.com/
> http://www.ACEAA.org/
> --------------------------
>
> loopcat wrote:
> > Chris, no offence, but u were the guy that told me that my GE-11" was "
> inappropriate for
> > EV use". Come to find out that 3 EXPERTS (Lee Hart, George Hamsta from
> Warp, and Otmar from Zilla) ALL told me that the motor was GREAT for EV use!
> And that an 8" motor (your suggestion) was a bad idea!
> > Chris, do u own/drive an EV? Last time I check, u ABANDONED your
> project!! So forgive me if I don't trust a damned thing u say!!
> > John Stuart..
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
>
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From bytedawg at bytetamer.com  Fri Sep 19 21:33:36 2008
From: bytedawg at bytetamer.com (m. howse)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:33:36 -0500
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] interesting GE DC motor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <48D3E75A.5020508@driveev.com>
References: <789374.70185.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<48D3E75A.5020508@driveev.com>
Message-ID: <op.uhqzia1nbk9d0m@workstation1.austin.rr.com>

Hello all,

Yes, there's a lot to be said about experience. Knowledge and experience  
is certainly
better, usually, but in the case of conversions there can be many more  
variations that
require imagination and patience also and more likely a major amount of  
perseverence.
One of the aspects of advice that always concerns me though is the bias  
that sometimes
creeps into the issues. Not that bias is necessarily bad in this case but  
it is not
always the best option. For example, some seem to think that high voltage  
motors are
better and on this I disagree. I have three motors I plan on using in  
different
vehicles, one is 36 volt, one is 48 volt and one is 240 volt and I can  
guarantee
that 24kw is 24kw whether it is with a 24 volt motor or a 240 volt motor.
I do think that as much heart as knowledge is required, though. And I would
also inject that making mistakes is not necessarily bad as long as they  
are not
the last mistake you'll make.
just my .5kw worth

marv


On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:54:34 -0500, Nick Viera <eaalists at driveev.com>  
wrote:

> Hi John and all,
>
> All personal feelings aside, Chris Robison's advice in this motor
> discussion is both logical and sound... and if you dismiss it you
> probably will find yourself with a lot of time and/or money invested in
> achieving dismal results.
>
> With that said, I feel that Chris is being really humble about his
> knowledge and experience with EVs... for example, he has been a primary
> player in quite a few EV conversions, and I know that without his help
> and advice (and Mark Farver and Aaron Choate's, and many others), my
> Jeep conversion probably would have failed or still be stuck somewhere
> in the process.
>
> I think that what this all comes down to is that there are many design
> considerations (such as motor selection) that arise during an EV
> conversion which are more complex than they first appear. People have
> the tendency to want to oversimplify things and/or jump to the first
> "solution" because it takes less time and effort (Yes, I'm also
> impatient =])
>
> But you should try to fully understand the issue at hand before making a
> decision, because the extra time spent learning about and understanding
> the issue now will save you a lot of time, money, and heartache when it
> comes time to DriveEV! I learned this the hard way! =]
>
> Just My 0.333 kWh worth,



-- 
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From bytedawg at bytetamer.com  Fri Sep 19 21:33:35 2008
From: bytedawg at bytetamer.com (m. howse)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:33:35 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Express News: 17 year old converts a Bradley GT II
In-Reply-To: <C398876BA37E4A22875C8A68CE0F4282@TexrocksGX280>
References: <C398876BA37E4A22875C8A68CE0F4282@TexrocksGX280>
Message-ID: <op.uhqzh9ombk9d0m@workstation1.austin.rr.com>

Pretty cool, but if someone gave me 11 grand I'd do 3 or 4 cars, maybe  
more.

marv

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:23:59 -0500, John Penry at TransTexasTrucks  
<jpenry at transtexastrucks.com> wrote:

> school



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From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Sat Sep 20 04:05:09 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:05:09 -0500
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] interesting GE DC motor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <op.uhqzia1nbk9d0m@workstation1.austin.rr.com>
References: <789374.70185.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<48D3E75A.5020508@driveev.com>
	<op.uhqzia1nbk9d0m@workstation1.austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809192105h7e637157v1281f7c514b7adad@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM, m. howse <bytedawg at bytetamer.com> wrote:
> 24kw is 24kw whether it is with a 24 volt motor or a 240 volt motor.

While that is true... that "24kw is 24kw whether it is with a 24 volt
motor or a 240 volt motor"... there are quite a number of practicality
issues that come into play with running 1000 Amps at 24 volts versus
running 100 Amps at 240 volts.

For one... Running 1000 Amps continuously would require at least 0000
gauge wire.   (The National Electrical Code says 0000 gauge wire is
only rated for 260 Amps continuous... but you won't be running the car
for that long.)  Running 100A at 240 Volts would only require 2 gauge
wire.  2 gauge wire is about half the diameter of the 0000 gauge
wire... and much easier to work with.

Also... motor controllers are rated by amp limits... a 100A controller
will be cheaper than a 1000A controller irregardless of the voltage
difference.

In the end... you save money (in wire and lugs), wiring time, and
weight of copper in your car by running 100A at 240V for that
hypothetical 24kw motor.


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From bytedawg at bytetamer.com  Sat Sep 20 04:57:24 2008
From: bytedawg at bytetamer.com (m. howse)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:57:24 -0500
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] interesting GE DC motor on Ebay
In-Reply-To: <2b3d5a440809192105h7e637157v1281f7c514b7adad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <789374.70185.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<48D3E75A.5020508@driveev.com>
	<op.uhqzia1nbk9d0m@workstation1.austin.rr.com>
	<2b3d5a440809192105h7e637157v1281f7c514b7adad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.uhrj1yngbk9d0m@workstation1.austin.rr.com>

I wouldn't use wire or cable with 1000 amps it would be called a buss,  
besides that statement was
a rhetorical statement only. Some people just have to nitpick by taking  
some statements too literally,
which is part of the rest of the statemnet about advice. I've wired 1000  
HP motors at 480 volts
and I know what kind of wire they use and as far as controllers go yes you  
are right but I didn't
say I was going to run a 24 volt motor at 1000 amps though apparently it  
must have seemed that way
I only iterated that the power is the same no matter what as far as the  
motor is concerned.
Although I guarantee the controllers really don't care about current that  
much it is the power
that destroys them not the current.

marv




On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:05:09 -0500, Brian Lasseter  
<blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:33 PM, m. howse <bytedawg at bytetamer.com> wrote:
>> 24kw is 24kw whether it is with a 24 volt motor or a 240 volt motor.
>
> While that is true... that "24kw is 24kw whether it is with a 24 volt
> motor or a 240 volt motor"... there are quite a number of practicality
> issues that come into play with running 1000 Amps at 24 volts versus
> running 100 Amps at 240 volts.
>
> For one... Running 1000 Amps continuously would require at least 0000
> gauge wire.   (The National Electrical Code says 0000 gauge wire is
> only rated for 260 Amps continuous... but you won't be running the car
> for that long.)  Running 100A at 240 Volts would only require 2 gauge
> wire.  2 gauge wire is about half the diameter of the 0000 gauge
> wire... and much easier to work with.
>
> Also... motor controllers are rated by amp limits... a 100A controller
> will be cheaper than a 1000A controller irregardless of the voltage
> difference.
>
> In the end... you save money (in wire and lugs), wiring time, and
> weight of copper in your car by running 100A at 240V for that
> hypothetical 24kw motor.
>
>



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From pearce78746 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 20 21:14:07 2008
From: pearce78746 at yahoo.com (John Pearce)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] Qs about S-10 conversion kit
Message-ID: <848406.2966.qm@web36305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I'm John Pearce, new to the Austin EV list.


I'm thinking very seriously about converting a Chevy S-10 using the Canadian Electric Vehicles kit.  This is attractive to me because I have no previous experience converting a car to an EV.  I'm wondering if anyone has experience with this kit and/or the company.  They seem to me to be very forthcoming with a lot of useful, practical information, which I think is quite positive.  Yes, I know it is not a particularly high performance option -- but I think it might be a practical approach for me.

Thanks,

J. Pearce
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From tomwolfe34 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 20 21:48:54 2008
From: tomwolfe34 at yahoo.com (Tom Wolfe - Cedar Park, Tx)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:48:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] Qs about S-10 conversion kit
In-Reply-To: <848406.2966.qm@web36305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <389474.51525.qm@web52309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

John, I don't know anything about Canadian EV but I am converting a Ford Ranger and have been dealing with EV America. I have their CD showing how they do a Chevy S10 and you are welcome to borrow it. You are also welcome to visit me in Cedar Park and see my truck. You can also see it on EV Album. Tom Wolfe 468 6204

--- On Sat, 9/20/08, John Pearce <pearce78746 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: John Pearce <pearce78746 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ausev] [Aceaa] Qs about S-10 conversion kit
> To: "AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion" <ausev at austinev.org>
> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 4:14 PM
> Hi,
> 
> I'm John Pearce, new to the Austin EV list.
> 
> 
> I'm thinking very seriously about converting a Chevy
> S-10 using the Canadian Electric Vehicles kit.  This is
> attractive to me because I have no previous experience
> converting a car to an EV.  I'm wondering if anyone has
> experience with this kit and/or the company.  They seem to
> me to be very forthcoming with a lot of useful, practical
> information, which I think is quite positive.  Yes, I know
> it is not a particularly high performance option -- but I
> think it might be a practical approach for me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> J. Pearce
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev


      

From rob at zehicle.com  Sun Sep 21 00:35:47 2008
From: rob at zehicle.com (Rob		)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:35:47 -0500
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] Qs about S-10 conversion kit
In-Reply-To: <848406.2966.qm@web36305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <06b301c91b81$fdde1150$6401a8c0@MediaRob>

John,
 
The S-10 is a popular glider platform so you're probably safe with most
vendors.  I will echo Tom's opinion of EV America.  They sold me most of my
components and I was very happy with the service.
 
Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of John Pearce
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:14 PM
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Subject: Re: [ausev] [Aceaa] Qs about S-10 conversion kit


Hi,

I'm John Pearce, new to the Austin EV list.


I'm thinking very seriously about converting a Chevy S-10 using the Canadian
Electric Vehicles kit.  This is attractive to me because I have no previous
experience converting a car to an EV.  I'm wondering if anyone has
experience with this kit and/or the company.  They seem to me to be very
forthcoming with a lot of useful, practical information, which I think is
quite positive.  Yes, I know it is not a particularly high performance
option -- but I think it might be a practical approach for me.

Thanks,

J. Pearce


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From johntallen55 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 12:42:44 2008
From: johntallen55 at gmail.com (John Allen)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:42:44 -0500
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] Qs about S-10 conversion kit
In-Reply-To: <389474.51525.qm@web52309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <848406.2966.qm@web36305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<389474.51525.qm@web52309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E2999CDAA05E4A308CB5D04BC820CC03@DHJXF5C1>

Tom,
  I just purchased a Ranger to convert.  I haven't started picking out
components yet as I'm working on pulling the engine and ICE components.  How
far along are you on your conversion?  

John Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Wolfe - Cedar Park, Tx
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:49 PM
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Subject: Re: [ausev] [Aceaa] Qs about S-10 conversion kit

John, I don't know anything about Canadian EV but I am converting a Ford
Ranger and have been dealing with EV America. I have their CD showing how
they do a Chevy S10 and you are welcome to borrow it. You are also welcome
to visit me in Cedar Park and see my truck. You can also see it on EV Album.
Tom Wolfe 468 6204

--- On Sat, 9/20/08, John Pearce <pearce78746 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: John Pearce <pearce78746 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ausev] [Aceaa] Qs about S-10 conversion kit
> To: "AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion"
<ausev at austinev.org>
> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 4:14 PM
> Hi,
> 
> I'm John Pearce, new to the Austin EV list.
> 
> 
> I'm thinking very seriously about converting a Chevy
> S-10 using the Canadian Electric Vehicles kit.  This is
> attractive to me because I have no previous experience
> converting a car to an EV.  I'm wondering if anyone has
> experience with this kit and/or the company.  They seem to
> me to be very forthcoming with a lot of useful, practical
> information, which I think is quite positive.  Yes, I know
> it is not a particularly high performance option -- but I
> think it might be a practical approach for me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> J. Pearce
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev


      
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From jpenry at transtexastrucks.com  Sun Sep 21 12:44:07 2008
From: jpenry at transtexastrucks.com (John Penry at TransTexasTrucks)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:44:07 -0500
Subject: [ausev] ACEAA meeting Sunday, Sep 21st.
Message-ID: <F44BE78558864A49B36390AC7F4F0074@TexrocksGX280>

Just a reminder:

Our next meeting of ACEAA is Sunday, Sep 21st @ 4pm in the conference room at Dr. Tito Norris's office.

He will give us a rooftop tour of his Solar power system, and an update on the conversion of the Porsche.  Those who have completed projects are encouraged to bring them to show.

Location: 
Robert "Tito" Norris, DDS 
18720 Stone Oak Parkway, Suite 207
San Antonio, TX 78258
210-402-3322

Everyone is invited.

John Penry
Treasurer
Alamo City Electric Auto Association
http://www.aceaa.org
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From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Sun Sep 21 16:29:46 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:29:46 -0500
Subject: [ausev] [Aceaa] Qs about S-10 conversion kit
In-Reply-To: <848406.2966.qm@web36305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <848406.2966.qm@web36305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809210929o5a6af011ib786ebf9579495cb@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM, John Pearce <pearce78746 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm thinking very seriously about converting a Chevy S-10 using the Canadian
> Electric Vehicles kit.  This is attractive to me because I have no previous
> experience converting a car to an EV.  I'm wondering if anyone has
> experience with this kit and/or the company.  They seem to me to be very
> forthcoming with a lot of useful, practical information, which I think is
> quite positive.  Yes, I know it is not a particularly high performance
> option -- but I think it might be a practical approach for me.

While I have no info on the CanEV S-10 conversion kit... I do have a
lot of experience with Canada EV, and can say that Randy and his team
are excellent.   I spent just shy of $2000 with them buying a
transmission adapter for my Saturn SL, a Xantrex Emeter, an
electro-hydraulic  power steering unit, an IOTA DC/DC, a pot box, and
a ceramic heater for the car.  Randy is always ready to give lots of
insight and tips.

And while his transmission adapter was accidentally machined
backwards... he did give me some $$$ credit for his mistake and was
helpful in resolving the issue.


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From achoate at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 19:19:06 2008
From: achoate at gmail.com (Aaron Choate)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:19:06 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Another opportunity to show
Message-ID: <8fa91bfa0809221219h567f4ed1k6ca89f1e2078767e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

As you know, a group of us are on our way to Fredericksburg this weekend to
show at the Renewable Energy Roundup.  However, AustinEV has also been
invited to show at the Bastrop NatureFest on Saturday Sept 27th from 9-4.
If any of you won't be otherwise engaged and are interested in showing a car
there, please let me know.  We need to get you registered.  Otherwise, I
will be letting the organizers know that AustinEV won't be able to attend.

Thanks!

/Aaron
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From achoate at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 19:23:35 2008
From: achoate at gmail.com (Aaron Choate)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:23:35 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
Message-ID: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

If you watch Fox news at 5:00 you may or may not see a short segment on
REVOLT featuring Chris and maybe even me.  If you happen to be able to
capture it, please let us know.  We would love to be able to show it to
people depending on how they edit it.

Cheers,

Aaron Choate
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From chris at chrisrobison.org  Mon Sep 22 21:33:07 2008
From: chris at chrisrobison.org (Chris Robison)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:33:07 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
In-Reply-To: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org>

Aaron Choate wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> If you watch Fox news at 5:00 you may or may not see a short segment on
> REVOLT featuring Chris and maybe even me.  If you happen to be able to
> capture it, please let us know.  We would love to be able to show it to
> people depending on how they edit it.

Yep, and if we end up looking like dorks, then, well... We'd love to 
nervously laugh and change the subject, and try to forget it ever 
happened.  :o)

   --chris


From rollingwoodcitizen at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 21:49:16 2008
From: rollingwoodcitizen at gmail.com (Rob H)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:49:16 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Another opportunity to show
In-Reply-To: <8fa91bfa0809221219h567f4ed1k6ca89f1e2078767e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fa91bfa0809221219h567f4ed1k6ca89f1e2078767e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ba1af3270809221449i58079eeetdc1363a54df81344@mail.gmail.com>

It's beyond my range :(   so the RAVolt can't go unless someone can produce
a truck & trailer

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Aaron Choate <achoate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> As you know, a group of us are on our way to Fredericksburg this weekend to
> show at the Renewable Energy Roundup.  However, AustinEV has also been
> invited to show at the Bastrop NatureFest on Saturday Sept 27th from 9-4.
> If any of you won't be otherwise engaged and are interested in showing a car
> there, please let me know.  We need to get you registered.  Otherwise, I
> will be letting the organizers know that AustinEV won't be able to attend.
>
> Thanks!
>
> /Aaron
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
>
>


-- 
Rob
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From mringer at austin.rr.com  Mon Sep 22 21:50:23 2008
From: mringer at austin.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:50:23 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
In-Reply-To: <48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org>
References: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org>
Message-ID: <02fd01c91cfd$37369f40$a5a3ddc0$@rr.com>

Did they shoot it in HD?  Because if they did, your screwed :)

-----Original Message-----
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Robison
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:33 PM
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Subject: Re: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe

Aaron Choate wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> If you watch Fox news at 5:00 you may or may not see a short segment on
> REVOLT featuring Chris and maybe even me.  If you happen to be able to
> capture it, please let us know.  We would love to be able to show it to
> people depending on how they edit it.

Yep, and if we end up looking like dorks, then, well... We'd love to 
nervously laugh and change the subject, and try to forget it ever 
happened.  :o)

   --chris

_______________________________________________
AusEV mailing list
AusEV at austinev.org
http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev


From mkohler at austin.rr.com  Mon Sep 22 22:13:16 2008
From: mkohler at austin.rr.com (Marc Kohler)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:13:16 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
In-Reply-To: <48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org>
References: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org>
Message-ID: <00aa01c91d00$69df30d0$3d9d9270$@rr.com>

If it's like most interviews, they let you talk for 10 minutes, then when
you see it air, they start with their introduction and talkover while
looking under the hood, then edit you in saying something about "not being
golf carts anymore", then cut to them driving away in the car saying some
sort of clever pun <grin>

That's when you say to yourself, "I talked to him/her for a long time, she
even nodded in agreement." Meanwhile the editing guy is under the gun to cut
it down to 30 seconds.

The best way to look at it is the way Mike Wazowski (Monsters Inc) does
where Mike and Sulley are in a company commercial (his face is covered on
the television by the Monsters Inc logo) and his subsequent excitement that
despite this he still has a piece of the spotlight.
Mike: I can't believe it...
Sulley: Oh, Mike...
Mike: I was on TV! Ha. Did you see me? I'm a natural.


Marc Kohler



-----Original Message-----
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Robison
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:33 PM
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Subject: Re: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe

Aaron Choate wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> If you watch Fox news at 5:00 you may or may not see a short segment on
> REVOLT featuring Chris and maybe even me.  If you happen to be able to
> capture it, please let us know.  We would love to be able to show it to
> people depending on how they edit it.

Yep, and if we end up looking like dorks, then, well... We'd love to 
nervously laugh and change the subject, and try to forget it ever 
happened.  :o)

   --chris

_______________________________________________
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AusEV at austinev.org
http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev

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From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Mon Sep 22 22:36:31 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:36:31 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
In-Reply-To: <48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org>
References: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org>
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Chris Robison <chris at chrisrobison.org> wrote:
>> If you watch Fox news at 5:00 you may or may not see a short segment on
>> REVOLT featuring Chris and maybe even me.  If you happen to be able to
>> capture it, please let us know.  We would love to be able to show it to
>> people depending on how they edit it.

I thought the car and Chris came off pretty well.  Granted, they only
let Chris say like a sentence, and then there was a bunch of voice
over.  Good work guys!

-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From dbecker215 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 23 03:53:24 2008
From: dbecker215 at hotmail.com (Donovan Becker)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:53:24 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
In-Reply-To: <2b3d5a440809221536h488bce7fsf346e19749b4ba54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org> 
	<2b3d5a440809221536h488bce7fsf346e19749b4ba54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY134-W165A34D41B153FFE8402C6854A0@phx.gbl>


Are they gonna give you a copy of the video to add to a website or anything? I know when Gary got on the news down here in SA it  was like pulling teeth to get a link to that video.

Donovan
----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:36:31 -0500
> From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org
> To: ausev at austinev.org
> Subject: Re: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
> 
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Chris Robison  wrote:
>>> If you watch Fox news at 5:00 you may or may not see a short segment on
>>> REVOLT featuring Chris and maybe even me.  If you happen to be able to
>>> capture it, please let us know.  We would love to be able to show it to
>>> people depending on how they edit it.
> 
> I thought the car and Chris came off pretty well.  Granted, they only
> let Chris say like a sentence, and then there was a bunch of voice
> over.  Good work guys!
> 
> -- 
> TTFN,
> Brian "Lasso" Lasseter
> 
> "No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev

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From achoate at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 13:10:42 2008
From: achoate at gmail.com (Aaron Choate)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:10:42 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
In-Reply-To: <BAY134-W165A34D41B153FFE8402C6854A0@phx.gbl>
References: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org>
	<2b3d5a440809221536h488bce7fsf346e19749b4ba54@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8fa91bfa0809230610j41c058ccqb4a731c1ce48442b@mail.gmail.com>

You are right, the process for getting copies of aired segments from
stations can be quite tedious.   Alyssa grabbed it with their Tivo for us so
I think we should be okay for web quality video if we want to highlight it.
Fox does have it on their site if anybody is interested:

*http://tinyurl.com/44yz4a*

Cheers,

Aaron Choate
*
*On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Donovan Becker <dbecker215 at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Are they gonna give you a copy of the video to add to a website or
> anything? I know when Gary got on the news down here in SA it  was like
> pulling teeth to get a link to that video.
>
> Donovan
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:36:31 -0500
> > From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org
> > To: ausev at austinev.org
> > Subject: Re: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Chris Robison  wrote:
> >>> If you watch Fox news at 5:00 you may or may not see a short segment on
> >>> REVOLT featuring Chris and maybe even me.  If you happen to be able to
> >>> capture it, please let us know.  We would love to be able to show it to
> >>> people depending on how they edit it.
> >
> > I thought the car and Chris came off pretty well.  Granted, they only
> > let Chris say like a sentence, and then there was a bunch of voice
> > over.  Good work guys!
> >
> > --
> > TTFN,
> > Brian "Lasso" Lasseter
> >
> > "No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
> > _______________________________________________
> > AusEV mailing list
> > AusEV at austinev.org
> > http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows
> Live.
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From jacobson at austin.rr.com  Tue Sep 23 18:40:44 2008
From: jacobson at austin.rr.com (Dan Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:40:44 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
References: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com><48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org><2b3d5a440809221536h488bce7fsf346e19749b4ba54@mail.gmail.com><BAY134-W165A34D41B153FFE8402C6854A0@phx.gbl>
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Aaron, (and the rest of the mostly guys) I am planning to go to the Fredericksburg show this weekend. Does anyone have the address and directions?
  Also, I have a serious compound leverage Klein brand crimp tool. It is intended mainly for the barrel (butt) connectors for power lines. It has jaws for several sizes of crimps. It will easily do 2/O copper wire crimps. I am willing to loan it free of charge, but it would be nice to have some guarantee of it's return. ($200 plus tool.) Possibly a deposit or a commitment from the group for it's replacement? 
  And, I have an old pair of four foot compound leverage bolt cutters with damaged jaws. I had intended to weld up some custom jaws to make a super-serious crimp tool. (This has even more leverage than the Klein crimp tool mentioned above.) I am willing to donate this to the group for conversion, if anyone is interested. We could "copy" the jaw form of the Kleins, if we wished.  Thanks, Dan Jacobson 266-7186
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From roy at holder3.com  Tue Sep 23 18:42:13 2008
From: roy at holder3.com (Roy Holder)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:42:13 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
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At 01:40 PM 9/23/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>???   Aaron, (and the rest of the mostly guys) I am  planning to go to the
>Fredericksburg show this weekend. Does anyone have the  address and
>directions?  

It is on Main street between Adams and Crocket streets, across form the
courthouse.
you almost cant miss it.


 crimp tool. It is intended mainly for the barrel (butt) 
>connectors for power lines. It has jaws for several sizes of crimps. It
>will  easily do 2/O copper wire crimps. I am willing to loan it free of
>charge, but it  would be nice to have some guarantee of it's return. ($200
>plus tool.) Possibly  a deposit or a commitment from the group for it's
>replacement?     Thanks, Dan Jacobson  266-7186
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From roy at holder3.com  Tue Sep 23 18:50:39 2008
From: roy at holder3.com (Roy Holder)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:50:39 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
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A little more detail:

Directions to the Roundup at the MarktPlatz (German for Market Square) in
Fredericksburg:

Market Square is located in the center of downtown Fredericksburg on the
north side of Highway 290 (also known as Main Street). If you are coming
into Fredericksburg on Hwy. 290 from the East (Austin, Johnson City,
Stonewall) you will pass the Nimitz Museum (the big "Steamboat" shaped
wooden building) on your right. Three further blocks (beginning at the
intersection of Main and N. Adams) you will find the Roundup. Watch for the
round, eight-sided building. The event covers the entire park-like grounds
of the Marktplatz.

If you are coming into Fredericksburg from the West (Junction, Sonora, Fort
Stockton and points West, watch on your left. The Roundup grounds are on
the block beginning at the corner of N. Crockett and Main (City Hall and
the Fire Station are on that corner.

If you are coming from San Antonio via Interstate 10 West to Comfort and on
into Fredericksburg on Hwy. 87 from there, Hwy. 87 becomes Washington St.
It intersects Hwy. 290 at the corner where the Nimitz Museum is located.
Turn left and proceed three blocks to the Market Square.

If you are coming from San Antonio via Interstate 10 West to Kerrville and
on into Fredericksburg on Hwy. 16 from there, Hwy. 16 becomes Adams. You
will therefore intersect Main at the West corner of the Market Square.

some more info avaiable at the web site:
www.throundup.org

From roy at holder3.com  Tue Sep 23 18:54:40 2008
From: roy at holder3.com (Roy Holder)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:54:40 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
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At 01:50 PM 9/23/2008 -0500, you wrote:
oops
>some more info avaiable at the web site:
www.theroundup.org


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From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Tue Sep 23 21:14:43 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:14:43 -0500
Subject: [ausev] REVOLT in the news? maybe
In-Reply-To: <9A65DCFC32F34BF4900451C79E7F862A@dan6ae64bb8826>
References: <8fa91bfa0809221223y2ea2eacv2419fd0f3b915beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D80F13.7050402@chrisrobison.org>
	<2b3d5a440809221536h488bce7fsf346e19749b4ba54@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY134-W165A34D41B153FFE8402C6854A0@phx.gbl>
	<8fa91bfa0809230610j41c058ccqb4a731c1ce48442b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A65DCFC32F34BF4900451C79E7F862A@dan6ae64bb8826>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809231414g2a0a320en4bbf9c08f38733c3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Dan Jacobson <jacobson at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Aaron, (and the rest of the mostly guys) I am planning to go to the
> Fredericksburg show this weekend. Does anyone have the address and
> directions?

I'll see ya there then... Roy gave good directions.


>   Also, I have a serious compound leverage Klein brand crimp tool. It is
> intended mainly for the barrel (butt) connectors for power lines. It has
> jaws for several sizes of crimps. It will easily do 2/O copper wire crimps.
> I am willing to loan it free of charge, but it would be nice to have some
> guarantee of it's return. ($200 plus tool.) Possibly a deposit or a
> commitment from the group for it's replacement?

Aaron has a crimper for 2/0 gauge wire, it was Mike and Tom who were
looking for a crimper.  I'm sure they'd be happy to put up some money
to guarantee the return of the tool.


>   And, I have an old pair of four foot compound leverage bolt cutters with
> damaged jaws. I had intended to weld up some custom jaws to make a
> super-serious crimp tool. (This has even more leverage than the Klein crimp
> tool mentioned above.) I am willing to donate this to the group for
> conversion, if anyone is interested. We could "copy" the jaw form of the
> Kleins, if we wished.  Thanks, Dan Jacobson 266-7186

Cool.


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From mpitman at uni-market.com  Wed Sep 24 03:04:53 2008
From: mpitman at uni-market.com (Moe Pitman)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:04:53 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Chrysler getting into the EV market
Message-ID: <1222225493.20030.3.camel@ns1>

Popular Mechanics has an article on Chrysler unveiling three new
vehicles - One is a Dodge sports number, all electric.  The other two
are a Jeep and a Chrysler Town & Country, but it's not clear to me
whether these are all electric or plug-in hybrids.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4284293.html



From tunafish at io.com  Wed Sep 24 19:02:19 2008
From: tunafish at io.com (tunafish at io.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:02:19 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Fredericksburg
Message-ID: <48DA8EBA.87AA13BD@io.com>

I am willing to help any or all 3 days:
>'woman' the booth
>or help shuttle vehicles
>or ...

Let me know.
Pacem,
Tanda
341-9491



From achoate at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 18:41:24 2008
From: achoate at gmail.com (Aaron Choate)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:41:24 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Fredericksburg
In-Reply-To: <48DA8EBA.87AA13BD@io.com>
References: <48DA8EBA.87AA13BD@io.com>
Message-ID: <9820A9B0-29F9-4A07-BDD8-06992B6B0140@gmail.com>

Hey Tanda,

We will take you up on the offer to help at the booth. We are covered  
for the transport of the mr2 and the mazda. Brian may need some help  
though.  I'll let him speak to that though.

Cheers,

Aaron

On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:02 PM, tunafish at io.com wrote:

> I am willing to help any or all 3 days:
>> 'woman' the booth
>> or help shuttle vehicles
>> or ...
>
> Let me know.
> Pacem,
> Tanda
> 341-9491
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AusEV mailing list
> AusEV at austinev.org
> http://www.austinev.org/mailman/listinfo/ausev

From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Wed Sep 24 20:39:33 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:39:33 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Fredericksburg
In-Reply-To: <9820A9B0-29F9-4A07-BDD8-06992B6B0140@gmail.com>
References: <48DA8EBA.87AA13BD@io.com>
	<9820A9B0-29F9-4A07-BDD8-06992B6B0140@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809241339g33cbadc8tee2a9aa3b42bb792@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Aaron Choate <achoate at gmail.com> wrote:
> We will take you up on the offer to help at the booth. We are covered
> for the transport of the mr2 and the mazda. Brian may need some help
> though.  I'll let him speak to that though.

I'm good for transporting my car... Longhorn offered me the rental of
a 3/4 ton pickup truck for $150 for the weekend, and said I could
install a trailer hitch on my '97 Saturn SC2 for $300.  So... I bought
the trailer hitch since that will save me the effort of renting and
returning their truck.

So, I will be towing my electric car to Fredericksburg in lieu of
recharging twice en route.

What time should I plan to arrive on Fri?


All the AustinEV members coming to the Renewable Energy Roundup should
plan to get dinner together on Sat night.  We had fun last year.  See
ya there!


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From roy at holder3.com  Wed Sep 24 20:39:32 2008
From: roy at holder3.com (Roy Holder)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:39:32 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Fredericksburg
In-Reply-To: <2b3d5a440809241339g33cbadc8tee2a9aa3b42bb792@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <9820A9B0-29F9-4A07-BDD8-06992B6B0140@gmail.com>
	<48DA8EBA.87AA13BD@io.com>
	<9820A9B0-29F9-4A07-BDD8-06992B6B0140@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20080924153932.0153d9b8@192.168.1.2>

At 03:39 PM 9/24/2008 -0500, you wrote:

>What time should I plan to arrive on Fri?

Exhibitor check in starts at 9:00+/-, grounds open to public at noon.
After noon I am not supposed to let vehicles in for insurance purposes.
You can check in at the back gate N-west corner by bank

>
>
>All the AustinEV members coming to the Renewable Energy Roundup should
>plan to get dinner together on Sat night.  We had fun last year.  See
>ya there!
>
>
>-- 
>TTFN,
>Brian "Lasso" Lasseter
>
>"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
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From jpenry at transtexastrucks.com  Thu Sep 25 01:07:10 2008
From: jpenry at transtexastrucks.com (John Penry at TransTexasTrucks)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:07:10 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Chrysler may get Chevy off their collective duff
Message-ID: <6A49EE24158C4C2F95B682EB18CBCD51@TexrocksGX280>

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=864784364&play=1
Three new electrics, two are series hybrids. Due to hit the market in 2010.
A series hybrid Jeep, a SHEV minivan, and a slick all-electric sportster.

This may cause Chevy to actually produce the Volt.

http://www.transtexastrucks.com
I decided to challenge the Automakers.
I will make a Plug in Series Hybrid Crew-Cab Pickup before Detroit does.
But if I lose this race, we all become winners.


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From achoate at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 13:38:49 2008
From: achoate at gmail.com (Aaron Choate)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:38:49 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Fwd: Roundup This Weekend Now Has Trip Verde Carpooling
In-Reply-To: <1102252534691.1102191122941.601.8.20221518@scheduler>
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Message-ID: <8fa91bfa0809250638p6ed0ab0bsbefe28ff73e706ed@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you thinking of coming out to the Roundup this weekend.

/Aaron

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Energy Roundup
This Weekend - Sept. 26,27,28
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     *9th Annual Renewable Energy Roundup & Green Living Fair

Join Us!
Fri 12-6, Sat 9-6, Sun 9-3
* *KEYNOTE SPEAKERS:*  MASON ARNOLD
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Sustainability  *Friday, 5 - 6 pm *

MATT STEIN
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Sustainable Future,
*Saturday 1-2 pm*

PETER PFEIFFER, FAIA     speaking on Green Building by Design--Not by
Device,
*Sunday Noon-1 pm*

Thank You
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*
*For your beverages this year  or
**purchase our souvenir stainless steel bottles.*

      *Trip Verde - Donating Trip Match Service  *
Another awesome company stepping up to help you travel green to this year's
fair!

Trip Verde has offered their trip matching service to the Renewable Energy
Roundup by providing free travel matching for event participants as a public
demonstration of their new technology.  The service includes personalized
matches based on starting and ending points and time constraints as well as
other preferences like gender, smoking/nonsmoking, etc.
Trip Verde is an Austin based startup that hopes to democratize
transportation and fill empty seats in vehicles for organizations, companies
and events. The "trip jockeys" are real people who help match drivers and
riders and is a huge improvement on the traditional bulletin board programs.

Sign up for the "green ride" by clicking here to access the tripverdi.com
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 * Rooms Still Available...
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There are still a few rooms in Fredericksburg, Kerrville, Johnson City and
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From achoate at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 13:40:17 2008
From: achoate at gmail.com (Aaron Choate)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:40:17 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Free water this year at the roundup
Message-ID: <8fa91bfa0809250640l7aa9178dx2e6ac6a73773aef6@mail.gmail.com>

 **...

That's Right!  The Roundup Committee has been working hard to find a
solution to plastic bottled water.   We are striving to have less waste than
ever and thus have eliminated 'plastic' bottled water from the event.   We
are asking that you to either purchase on site a souvenir stainless steel
water container or BYOC (bring your own cup).  Thanks to Pure Quality Water
for providing the set up for onsite free filtered water.
...

Cheers,

Aaron Choate
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From mkohler at austin.rr.com  Thu Sep 25 13:45:29 2008
From: mkohler at austin.rr.com (Marc Kohler)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:45:29 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Free water this year at the roundup
In-Reply-To: <8fa91bfa0809250640l7aa9178dx2e6ac6a73773aef6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fa91bfa0809250640l7aa9178dx2e6ac6a73773aef6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004201c91f14$f99135a0$ecb3a0e0$@rr.com>

At the 2008 Plug In conference, they were using these ?plastic? cups made from corn.

Probably too late for the Roundup, but wanted you guys to be aware of their availability.

 

http://www.ecoproducts.com/Business/food_services/cups/fs_cups_compostable_cold_cups.htm

 

Marc Kohler

 

From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Choate
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:40 AM
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Subject: [ausev] Free water this year at the roundup

 

...

That's Right!  The Roundup Committee has been working hard to find a solution to plastic bottled water.   We are striving to have less waste than ever and thus have eliminated 'plastic' bottled water from the event.   We are asking that you to either purchase on site a souvenir stainless steel water container or BYOC (bring your own cup).  Thanks to Pure Quality Water for providing the set up for onsite free filtered water.
...

Cheers,

Aaron Choate

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From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Thu Sep 25 15:36:46 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:36:46 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Free water this year at the roundup
In-Reply-To: <004201c91f14$f99135a0$ecb3a0e0$@rr.com>
References: <8fa91bfa0809250640l7aa9178dx2e6ac6a73773aef6@mail.gmail.com>
	<004201c91f14$f99135a0$ecb3a0e0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809250836g26e27825ib731ca7d5c062a04@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Marc Kohler <mkohler at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> At the 2008 Plug In conference, they were using these "plastic" cups made
> from corn.

My "corn" cups still have not composted in my compost pile.  I got
some at a one of the green living fairs in late 2007.


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Thu Sep 25 15:40:11 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:40:11 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Is anyone heading to the renewable Energy roundup on Fri
	night or Sat morning?
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809250840v497a0bbbw12b8f27a99852c55@mail.gmail.com>

I need to get my car there Fri morning... but my wife wants to work on
Fri.   :-/   So, she could use a ride.  Call me (or shoot me an email
with your phone #)  if you can take her there... 512-736-1677.


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From mkohler at austin.rr.com  Thu Sep 25 16:08:47 2008
From: mkohler at austin.rr.com (Marc Kohler)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:08:47 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Free water this year at the roundup
In-Reply-To: <2b3d5a440809250836g26e27825ib731ca7d5c062a04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8fa91bfa0809250640l7aa9178dx2e6ac6a73773aef6@mail.gmail.com>	<004201c91f14$f99135a0$ecb3a0e0$@rr.com>
	<2b3d5a440809250836g26e27825ib731ca7d5c062a04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009001c91f28$fe0eb760$fa2c2620$@rr.com>

Brian, perhaps you need to buy these composting bags.
That's probably your problem <grin>
http://www.ecoproducts.com/household_supplies/composting_supplies/home_compo
sting_index.htm
MK

-----Original Message-----
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Lasseter
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:37 AM
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Subject: Re: [ausev] Free water this year at the roundup

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Marc Kohler <mkohler at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> At the 2008 Plug In conference, they were using these "plastic" cups made
> from corn.

My "corn" cups still have not composted in my compost pile.  I got
some at a one of the green living fairs in late 2007.


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)
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From blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org  Thu Sep 25 16:15:04 2008
From: blasseter.cmpe01 at gtalumni.org (Brian Lasseter)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:15:04 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Free water this year at the roundup
In-Reply-To: <009001c91f28$fe0eb760$fa2c2620$@rr.com>
References: <8fa91bfa0809250640l7aa9178dx2e6ac6a73773aef6@mail.gmail.com>
	<004201c91f14$f99135a0$ecb3a0e0$@rr.com>
	<2b3d5a440809250836g26e27825ib731ca7d5c062a04@mail.gmail.com>
	<009001c91f28$fe0eb760$fa2c2620$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <2b3d5a440809250915mc56a857n5cd07f5bcf10909b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Marc Kohler <mkohler at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Brian, perhaps you need to buy these composting bags.
> That's probably your problem <grin>

To be fair to the cups... nothing in my compost pile composts that
well.  I need to water my compost pile better, and likely cover it
better.  :-/


-- 
TTFN,
Brian "Lasso" Lasseter

"No Sane man will dance." -Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

From sleeper02_14_06 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 26 16:15:46 2008
From: sleeper02_14_06 at yahoo.com (Joby Wieser)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:15:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ausev] Free vintage john deere electric riding lawnmower.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1222430432.34590.ausev@austinev.org>
Message-ID: <68403.61869.qm@web38806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For any of you who are comming to Fredericksburg, A friend of mine has something that you may be interested in that he wants to give away.  It is an old electric riding lawn mower.  It was made by John Deere in the 70's It is missing the mowing deck, and seat but otherwise seems to be complete.  He wants to get it out of a warehouse he bought.  If anyone is interested in taking it home you can call me at 830-456-0284 and i will arange it.

Joby 
Fredericksburg




      

From mringer at austin.rr.com  Mon Sep 29 23:45:18 2008
From: mringer at austin.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:45:18 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Batteries
Message-ID: <032801c9228d$6e446900$4acd3b00$@rr.com>

Does anyone know where I can find 12V 15Amp F2 SLA Batteries?
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From tomwolfe34 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 29 23:53:56 2008
From: tomwolfe34 at yahoo.com (Tom Wolfe - Cedar Park, Tx)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:53:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ausev] Batteries
In-Reply-To: <032801c9228d$6e446900$4acd3b00$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <215878.81187.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Here's a 14Amp http://www.batterymart.com/c-04-12-volt-sealed-lead-acid-batteries.html


--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Michael <mringer at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Michael <mringer at austin.rr.com>
> Subject: [ausev] Batteries
> To: "'AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion'" <ausev at austinev.org>
> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 6:45 PM
> Does anyone know where I can find 12V 15Amp F2 SLA
> Batteries?
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From mringer at austin.rr.com  Tue Sep 30 02:27:20 2008
From: mringer at austin.rr.com (Michael)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:27:20 -0500
Subject: [ausev] Batteries
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That's better than two 10amps..... I wonder why the 15 amp is so hard to
find...

-----Original Message-----
From: ausev-bounces at austinev.org [mailto:ausev-bounces at austinev.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Wolfe - Cedar Park, Tx
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:54 PM
To: AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion
Subject: Re: [ausev] Batteries

Here's a 14Amp
http://www.batterymart.com/c-04-12-volt-sealed-lead-acid-batteries.html


--- On Mon, 9/29/08, Michael <mringer at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Michael <mringer at austin.rr.com>
> Subject: [ausev] Batteries
> To: "'AustinEV News Announcements and General Discussion'"
<ausev at austinev.org>
> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 6:45 PM
> Does anyone know where I can find 12V 15Amp F2 SLA
> Batteries?
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